Speaker 1: Inspector General Horwitz, over the past three years, I've questioned FBI Director Wray and Attorney General Merrick Garland about the federal assets, such as confidential human sources that were present on January 6 at the Capitol, and they have continuously stonewalled me. We've got no answers whatsoever about this from them. Now, you announced that you were going to do a review of the DOJ response and preparation, mainly preparation, I think, for January 6. When did you start that review? When did you announce that review?

Speaker 2: We announced it in 2021, but we ended up pausing it because of the ongoing criminal cases, consistent with how we perform our work. We've re-initiated it last year, and I'm in the process of reviewing a draft of the report.

Speaker 1: So, three and a half years ago, it was announced that you'd be doing this review, and we still don't have the review, do we?

Speaker 2: No. As I said, the reason is we paused the review because of the ongoing criminal work that would, consistent with our practice, we don't interfere with ongoing criminal investigations.

Speaker 1: Now that you've restarted it, do you have evidence of the number of confidential human sources that were operating on the Capitol grounds on January 6? Our report will include the information in that regard.

Speaker 2: Can you tell us today how many there were? Were there more than 100? I'm not in a position to say that, both because it's in draft form, and we have not gone through the classification review, and so I need to be careful on what I say.

Speaker 1: We're four years in. The reason to do these reports, I think, is so we don't make this, if there were any mistakes, not to make the same mistakes again, but we are just weeks away from inauguration, and we're four years, almost four years into this report.

Speaker 2: When is it going to be released? It's certainly my hope and expectation, although I don't control this entirely because it has to go through a classification review, but certainly in the next couple of months is my hope.

Speaker 1: Is there any consideration for the election about the release of this report? Would you delay it in order to not release it right before the election?

Speaker 2: At this point, given the process that has to play out in terms of classification review and all of that, I don't have to make any judgment about that. That still has to go on. Just to give you a sense of it, when I did the FISA review— You're saying it's not even going to be done in time before the election? It doesn't. I doubt it would be done in time for the election. Is it going to be done before the inauguration?

Speaker 1: That is certainly my hope and my plan. It's your hope. We're four years into it, and what we do know is you're going to expose that there were confidential human sources at the Capitol. Can you tell us today how many went into the Capitol?

Speaker 2: We—I'll have that information in the report. I'm not able to speak to information in there, both because it's in draft and we get a response from the department and the FBI, but also because I don't know yet what's classified and not classified.

Speaker 1: So if they broke the law, if they went into the Capitol, which we pretty much know there were confidential human sources who went into the Capitol and right there alongside of everybody else, wouldn't they need to follow DOJ CHS protocols, and do you know if those were followed?

Speaker 2: They should follow CHS protocols, and again, we'll include that information in the report. Do you know how many were reimbursed for travel? As I sit here, I don't recall the number. You don't recall or you won't tell us? Well, and if I did know it, I wouldn't be in a position to tell you because we still have to go We're four years into this.

Speaker 1: I mean, you're supposed to be the organization that goes and gets these answers when the FBI and the DOJ stonewall Congress, but I feel like, you know, we're four years into this. We're not even going to get this information you're telling us now before the election, and maybe not even before the next inauguration. How would we make any corrections without that information? I want to move on to something else. Um, we've got a failed FBI's failed investigation of the January 6 pipe bomb. Are you looking into that at all?

Speaker 2: We've had discussion. I know congressmen about it, and we have followed up, and I can speak to you about that.

Speaker 1: I mean, they keep saying it's an ongoing investigation, but they've got no leads, no suspects. They've lost information. They've lost evidence. They can't find evidence. Secret Service deleted all of its texts on January 6. Steve D'Antuono, the guy in charge of Washington D.C. field office says that the cell phone data that could have been used to find the bomber was corrupted. And now we just found out, I found out from another inspector general, and I want to submit this for the record.

Speaker 2: No objection.

Speaker 1: Yeah. He, I asked him, do you have the footage, the video footage, does the FBI have the video footage of the DNC on January 6? And he tells me when he asked the FBI for the video footage, they don't even have video footage of the DNC that we know was created on January 6. It's almost, I mean, so it's almost as if they don't want to know. Can you rule out that there were any confidential human sources involved in the whole pipe bomb thing on January 6?

Speaker 2: I'm not, I'd have to go back, congressman, and refresh myself on what we've, information we've gathered to date on that. I don't know as I sit here.

Speaker 1: Okay, that would be a huge revelation. And I'm happy to come. I think we should get that and get it public before the election. I yield back. A gentleman is back. I'm just struck by the irony, the fact that the very email.