Epstein files raise questions about Kathy Rumler emails (Full Transcript)

[00:00:00] Speaker 1: On Jeffrey Epstein's 62nd birthday, he got an email from former Obama White House counsel Kathy Rumler. Happy birthday. I hope you enjoy the day with your one true love. Adding a smiley face. Epstein responded, they say that men usually gave a name to their penis, as it would be inappropriate to make love to a total stranger. Rumler replied, hard to believe that there is still an open question about whether men are the inferior gender. This is one of just a few of the hundreds of emails that Rumler exchanged with Epstein during the final years of his life. Now the chief legal officer at Goldman Sachs, Rumler has said that she got to know Epstein through her work as a lawyer and that the two were, quote, friendly in that professional context. But in the latest release of Epstein files from the Justice Department, photos of Rumler and messages between the two suggest they had a close personal friendship. Rumler discussed matters in her personal life, expressed gratitude for their, quote, friendship, sometimes concluded messages with, quote, XO and XOXO, and repeatedly fawned over gifts from who she called at times Uncle Jeffrey. Rumler even discussed possibly visiting Epstein's private island, asking in 2017 if she could take a, quote, day trip there, with emails suggesting Epstein tried to coordinate a private jet to pick her up. It's unclear if the visit ever occurred, and a Goldman Sachs spokesperson previously said Rumler never visited the island. Rumler's PR team referred CNN's questions about her birthday exchange with Epstein to her attorney. The fact is, Ms. Rumler does not make any statement about Epstein's penis. She does not reference it. She does not joke about it. She does not banter with Epstein about it. She does not accede to Epstein's unsolicited, gratuitous remarks about men and their penises, nothing. In another message from July 2015, Rumler asked Epstein if he read a New York Times story which featured critics of sex offender registries, like the one he had been listed on for several years by then. Thinking about whether there is an opportunity there, Rumler wrote. Asked about that exchange, a Rumler spokesperson told CNN, at times, Epstein sought informal advice, and she provided feedback based upon her understanding at the time, without any formal involvement. Months later, Rumler wrote that helping Epstein with his, quote, legal s**t was important because, quote, friendships goes two ways. A spokesperson for Rumler told CNN, she, quote, has done nothing wrong and has nothing to hide. Nothing in the record suggests otherwise. Jeffrey Epstein was a man of a thousand faces. Ms. Rumler only saw the one he put on to win people over and gain credibility and acceptance. Her views were shaped by that and his denials of any wrongdoing other than what he had pled guilty to years prior. Ms. Rumler has deep sympathy for those harmed by Epstein. If she knew then what she knows now, she never would have dealt with him at all.