Speaker 1: The rioters from January 6th, they're not only getting an open invitation from some lawmakers on Capitol Hill to go and take a tour, they could also potentially be on the verge of getting one from the president.

Speaker 2: People you pardoned that were participating in the January 6th, 2021 attack, do you plan to meet with any of them or meet with them at the White House?

Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm sure that they probably would like to. I did them something important. But what they did is they were protesting a crooked election. I mean, people understand that also. And they were treated very badly. Nobody's been treated like that. So I'd be open to it.

Speaker 1: They weren't protesting a crooked election. The election was free and fair. Trump's own aide said that. And they broke and entered into a building and also trashed it and trespassed and beat up cops, in some cases with the cops' own weapons and shields that they had. That comment, nonetheless, came after Stuart Rhodes, the leader of the Oath Keepers that you see here, met with several lawmakers on Capitol Hill last night. That was the day after Trump commuted his sentence and releasing him from prison. Rhodes was convicted of seditious conspiracy and sentenced to 18 years for spearheading the attack, among the longest of the sentences that we saw. His ex-wife, who has accused him of abuse, has called him a danger to America and says she fears for her life now that he's out. And she's my source tonight, Tasha Adams. And I just want to thank you for being here. I know that we had heard from your perspective after Trump came out and commuted his sentence. But what went through your mind when you saw him walking around Capitol Hill

Speaker 4: with these elected officials? Well, it's pretty disgusting, frankly. And then his comments. He had his little flippant comment that he had absolutely no regrets. People died. People died because of that day. What a disgusting comment to make. It's just horrible. It's mind-boggling that he's out there wandering around being taken seriously when he spearheaded one of the most violent and just horrific days in American history.

Speaker 1: I mean, if you were a constituent of one of these lawmakers who was either meeting with him already, or we've heard from others saying that they would happily give him a tour, what would you say to them? Well, I would hope getting anywhere near

Speaker 4: Stuart Rhodes would be political kryptonite. I mean, that's what one would think. You wouldn't think that anybody could stay in office just wandering around with somebody who's a convicted terrorist. I mean, there were terrorism enhancements with his sentence. He was not pardoned. It was a little too big of a sentence, I think, to get away with pardoning him. So his sentence was commuted. He's still a convicted felon. It's insane. It's absolutely insane.

Speaker 1: Yeah. And Trump, to be clear, did say that they were going to review the sentences of the 14 people he commuted and potentially pardon them as well. You referenced, you called it a flippant comment from him, is from Stuart Rhodes, spending several minutes defending himself to reporters. This is just a little of what he said in the halls of the Capitol. What's my role on January 6th? I

Speaker 5: stood outside and expressed my first and only right to free speech. That's all. I didn't go in the Capitol. I didn't tell anybody else to, as all the witnesses said. But you were convicted by a jury of your peers. Sure. An unfair jury, selected from the jury pool. Seditious conspiracy is an incredibly serious charge. Of course it is. And it was used for political purposes,

Speaker 1: to make it look as salacious as possible. Are you surprised that he doesn't have remorse? Well, I guess he did say that he was drunk when he said he wanted to hang Nancy Pelosi from a lamppost. But when you hear those comments, what goes through your mind?

Speaker 4: I mean, it's exactly what I expect from him. He really likes to lean into the faux righteous indignance. It's sort of how he gains followers. He really likes to do this sort of cult leader, traveling minister bit, where he just goes full fire and brimstone and the crowd joins in. And kind of the same types of things that we've seen with Trump. It works on a lot of people. And I didn't expect any remorse from him. I think he made a slight mistake when he made a comment earlier, when he said he had no regrets. Because of course, we do know from the trial that he does have a regret. And that is that he was recorded, and it played at trial, that he said his only regret was that they didn't bring rifles. So that was a bit of a misspeak, I think, on his part. But his lack of remorse, I mean, that's just him. And his doubling down, that's also him.

Speaker 1: Tasha Adams, I know this has been a difficult week for you. Thank you for joining us to share

Speaker 6: your perspective. Up front now, Jackson Rafferty, he turned his father, Guy, into the FBI for participating in the insurrection. And Guy Raffert was released from prison yesterday after Trump pardoned him. He had been in the process of serving a more than seven-year sentence. This is a video right now of Guy, your father, Jackson. And so I know you've seen this video. When we spoke on Monday, it was just moments before your father was pardoned. And you said you didn't want him pardoned. And now you see him. You see him there. He is out of prison. How are you feeling tonight? And what's it like to see him coming out?

Speaker 7: I mean, I love my father. And I want what's best for him. And in my final letter to the judge in his sentencing, all I asked for was mental health coverage for him while he's in prison. And he denied it in the process. And that was hard on its own. But stepping out of prison and basically falling into the arms of a more far-right extremism into this country, more radicalized than when he went in, that I've witnessed, is very saddening to witness. Because I thought it got better at one point. But now he's fallen in the same kitchen as Stuart Rhodes. And I'll be a lot more gentle than Michael Fanone put it, but that's not OK. This is validating behavior that can lead to worse and worse situations for people like me. And running into the White House or the Capitol, wherever Trump invited them, is just going to validate them more so and give them something physical that they've really improved their lives by taking this violent action on January 6, 2021.

Speaker 6: Jackson, you mentioned Officer Fanone, who, of course, was assaulted that day on Capitol Hill. I want to ask you about something your father said, because he has spoken out. But first, you have these serious concerns. The first thing you said, of course, is, I love my father. Have you spoken to him or to anyone in your family since the pardon happened, your mother or sisters?

Speaker 7: I texted my sister, I love you, and I got a love you back. And that's all I really need in this moment is just that. And I need distance and time just to prioritize my safety and make sure I'm OK in this moment. And I've taken the precautions needed to get to this point. They've expressed that. And of course, my dad said he loves me and all that. But the only way we can really go forward, he acknowledges, is what led him down this path? Trump and these far right extreme militias that bounced off of Trump in his presidency towards the end of 2020. And until that happens, I don't know what I'm going to do. I don't know how I'm going to go forward with any of this. And it's terrifying to even think about, because I don't

Speaker 6: know. Jackson, look, I'm glad you had that exchange with your sister. I hope it makes people feel a sense of, I don't know, I don't know whether it's a sense of hope, but at least that there can be love, even with so much division. You talk about your worry that you thought at one point your father was changing, but that then he has turned more towards these radical groups. He did speak to reporters when he got out of prison yesterday. I know that you've seen this, but just let me play for everybody, because I know obviously there had been, he was in prison serving his time and you wouldn't have seen him or heard him. So he just spoke. And here's what

Speaker 5: he said. You're not going to get a fair trial here if you're not on their political agenda. You're not going to get that. What would you say to Donald Trump right now? Peace, brother.

Speaker 6: So what do you hear when you hear that? I mean, obviously, he's not remorseful at all at this

Speaker 7: point. No, and that's the one thing we can't get past is an understanding of actions and how it's affected us. I mean, I am severely guilt ridden with my action and my participation in tipping the authorities. I live with it every day of my life and I acknowledge the pain and suffering that I've put onto my family by my actions, by doing what I thought was to protect them. But, you know, my father steps out of jail and says peace, brother, to the guy that basically threw him in that jail cell and let him up that Capitol without even knowing his name or who he was, you know, and now Donald Trump has reached his hand out and reached out to my father and is giving him everything he ever wanted. And I don't know what my dad's going to do in return.

Speaker 6: Jackson, thank you very much. It's good to talk to you again. Thank you so much.